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Just a friendly reminder that Fenris will eventually feel the effects of lyrium poisoning. He’ll go mad, lose his mind, forget everything. He’ll lash out at Hawke, all gauntlets and teeth and hatred. He’ll claw at his old love’s face until he isn’t the only one that can’t recognize it anymore. (◡‿◡✿)

Okay, but I do have to question this.

We don’t know a lot about the lyrium in Fenris’s skin. We don’t know how it even works. Exposure to unprocessed lyrium causes dementia and madness, as does prolonged usage of even processed lyrium. However, most of those effects seem to stem from the addiction itself, and ingesting loads of the stuff over time, causing general addiction symptoms such as paranoia and obsession (the dementia being an effect of lyrium itself). It is clear that the markings are not red lyrium, at the very least (stronger, with worse effects).

We also know that in Orlais, stones infused with lyrium are used to light passages, but there are no stories of madness after prolonged existence around these.

So I do have to question what the side effects would be. His markings aren’t made of unprocessed lyrium and he isn’t ingesting it, so what are they even made of, what mixture of lyrium? Fenris spoke of other warriors like himself, so the long-term effects would be known and the process possibly refined.

Also, the long-term effects of being around lyrium seem to happen over just a few years around lyrium (faster around unprocessed lyrium, because most things pretty much say that direct contact with it has immediate effects). It seems implied that Fenris was fairly young when he got them, but an adult when he escaped. That’s a span of 10-20 years (by the end of DA2) that I think the effects would have already taken hold if they were going to.

So we don’t actually really know what would happen, in my opinion. At least not with the information we have about the markings combined with the information about lyrium. I think there might be an effect, but I’m not sure it would be sudden madness that would cause him to claw off Hawke’s face. I think it would more likely be an early grave or gradually slipping into dementia. Certainly gradual enough to warn Hawke of what was happening, if anything happened at all.

I am almost entirely certain that Bioware would never actually have this be the canon result of Fenris’s markings. This post was solely an expression of my personal headcanon. That it has garnered any attention is a shock to me. I do hope no one has taken it as more than it actually is; a headcanon and nothing more. But, with that said, I do think there is fair argument my headcanon is reasonable depiction of Fenris’s future.

First of all, the negative side effects of lyrium exposure do not stem solely from addiction or consumption. Prolonged exposure of any sort has negative repercussions. For instance, the dwarf salesman in Origins who stutters and acts oddly. It is doubtful that he actively consumed lyrium as templars do and more likely that he was a miner who spent too much time around the substance. After so much contact with the material, he began to lose his mind and develop irregular quirks. This is all in spite of him being a dwarf, by the way. Given that dwarves are highly resistant to lyrium, it is likely that another race in his position would have faced far more serious side effects, possibly something along the lines of the madness I described above.

As for Orlesian street lamps, those are objects citizens would pass by quickly. They wouldn’t have the time (or even the particularly close proximity) to garner extreme repercussion. That said, do you know who might suffer from those street lamps? The workers who maintain them, laborers who are probably low-income elves and therefore of no significance to Orlesian history. If Duke Prosper was getting sick, we’d have heard about it. But Maggy the street lamp scrubber? Yeah, we aren’t getting news there.

But now you’re probably asking, “Madison, why is Fenris relatively normal in DA2, then? Why isn’t he crazy after carrying lyrium every second of every day for years?” Well, my answer is another headcanon so its pretty cheap. uwu I imagine that the process used to imbue skin with lyrium involves a lot of hardcore magic. The reason Fenris is sane when we meet him is because Danarius yet lives, allowing the magister’s spells to function and for his magic to maintain Fenris. The second the bastard dies though? The slow road to dementia and insanity begins. It’s kind of a horrifically beautiful that way. Fenris spends so long gaining new memories, a new family, and seeking his revenge only to have everything stolen away once he accomplishes his goal.

Danarius takes everything from him twice.

My bad! I didn’t realize it was a headcanon, haha. That’s fine, I totally have my own headcanons about Fenris too. :P I thought this was a legit, “no this WILL happen” kind of thing. Sorry for the misunderstanding!

I think there does have to be some sort of effects, myself. v.v I think he will most likely develop dementia when he gets older and becomes unable to fight due to weakness seizing his body (For my followers, you guys know this is already not a problem with my headcanon, as I already imagine he puts down the sword after DA2 haha).

Though there is an argument that, as a miner, he would be around unprocessed lyrium (something only the most skilled of the mining caste are exposed to). Unprocessed lyrium has WAY stronger effects than processed lyrium, which Fenris’s markings have to be to some degree (otherwise it would cause his skin to blister and burn all the time).

Though I do have to wonder if Fenris could be maintained in good health by another mage? Fenris isn’t the only one of his kind, he knows, and if he began to fall to pieces, I think someone would try to figure it out, especially if Hawke and Fenris run off together.

Or if the reason warriors like him and why Danarius needed people to compete for the markings (and why he was so intent on chasing Fenris down instead of spending all of the money over ten years to find him on just preforming the ritual again) is because Fenris has some kind of innate immunity to whatever health risks they bring to normal people?

Fenris, when meeting his sister, says that he remembers playing in “master’s” courtyard, but not Danarius. I think Danarius is cruel enough that he would not allow a slave to buy his mother and sister’s freedom not give a boon to a slave, so I’m thinking they were perhaps all owned by someone who was not Danarius and the boon was meant to go to the owner of the slave who won, not the slave, but his owner was kind and allowed him to have the boon.

Not challenging a headcanon, because headcanons are meant to be your own fun thing. :p Just some mild ramblings because the side effects or the lyrium markings is something I’ve wondered about myself.

thatonepluckygirl:

Just a friendly reminder that Fenris will eventually feel the effects of lyrium poisoning. He’ll go mad, lose his mind, forget everything. He’ll lash out at Hawke, all gauntlets and teeth and hatred. He’ll claw at his old love’s face until he isn’t the only one that can’t recognize it anymore. (◡‿◡✿)

Okay, but I do have to question this.

We don’t know a lot about the lyrium in Fenris’s skin. We don’t know how it even works. Exposure to unprocessed lyrium causes dementia and madness, as does prolonged usage of even processed lyrium. However, most of those effects seem to stem from the addiction itself, and ingesting loads of the stuff over time, causing general addiction symptoms such as paranoia and obsession (the dementia being an effect of lyrium itself). It is clear that the markings are not red lyrium, at the very least (stronger, with worse effects).

We also know that in Orlais, stones infused with lyrium are used to light passages, but there are no stories of madness after prolonged existence around these.

So I do have to question what the side effects would be. His markings aren’t made of unprocessed lyrium and he isn’t ingesting it, so what are they even made of, what mixture of lyrium? Fenris spoke of other warriors like himself, so the long-term effects would be known and the process possibly refined.

Also, the long-term effects of being around lyrium seem to happen over just a few years around lyrium (faster around unprocessed lyrium, because most things pretty much say that direct contact with it has immediate effects). It seems implied that Fenris was fairly young when he got them, but an adult when he escaped. That’s a span of 10-20 years (by the end of DA2) that I think the effects would have already taken hold if they were going to.

So we don’t actually really know what would happen, in my opinion. At least not with the information we have about the markings combined with the information about lyrium. I think there might be an effect, but I’m not sure it would be sudden madness that would cause him to claw off Hawke’s face. I think it would more likely be an early grave or gradually slipping into dementia. Certainly gradual enough to warn Hawke of what was happening, if anything happened at all.

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 Some of you are reblogging because you think its funny that programmers would talk to ducks. I’m reblogging because I think its funny picturing a programmer explaining their code, realizing what they did when they explain the bad code, then grabbing the strangling the duck while yelling “WHY WAS THE FIX THAT SIMPLE!? AM I GOING BLIND!”

AS A PROGRAMMER I CAN TELL YOU THAT THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU FUCKING DO WE HAD TO BAN THE DUCKS FROM MY CLASSES BECAUSE EVERYONE WOULD FLIP THE DUCK OR THROW IT AT A WALL OR SOMETHING WHEN THEY FIGURED OUT THE PROBLEM IN THEIR CODE

I bite on a pen and write it out, then furiously scribble on the paper when I figure it out. In anger.

Shitty picture I’ve been working on. Sure I’ll finish it eventually or something. Those sleeves are just awful and need to be redone. Ugh.

If anyone is curious, it’s just a headcanon of mine about what happens to Fenris after DA2. I imagine he puts down a sword to wield a pen against the injustice of slavery, becoming a bit of a respected scholar.

Slaves were forbidden to read, and it’s only when he puts down his blade that he truly breaks his chains. He figures that fighting with force isn’t fighting against what he hates on equal grounds. His words are much more brutal against everything he wishes to break down, and with his writing he can change everything.

After all, to most people The Warden and The Champion are only a story that changed the entire world.

I’m hoping to do little studies like this of the other companions, and my headcanons of what happened afterward. Obviously, Inquisition might come around and prove me wrong, but..

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